Dylan Moran, 32, was born in London and grew up in Ireland. A stand-up comedian, he won the Perrier award in 1996. He has gone on to write and star, as Bernard Black, in Channel 4's BAFTA-winning sitcom, 'Black Books' and has also appeared in Simon Nye's 'How do you want me?' and the feature film, 'The Actors' alongside Michael Caine. He lives in Edinburgh.
Born in Devizes in Wiltshire, Bill Bailey, 39, originally wanted to be a rock star. Instead he incorporated his prodigious musical talent into his unique stand-up comedy. He is a team captain on BBC2's 'Never Mind the Buzzcocks' and plays Bernard's sidekick, Manny in Black Books. Married, he has a young son and lives in London.
Dylan Moran:
Ten or so years ago, we'd see one
another in the London clubs, a sort of nodding acquaintance, but the first time
I remember talking to Bill was in one of those typical, dreary, provincial
hotels where you have to give your grandmother's maiden name to get a drink
after 11pm. We bumped into one another, while gigging around the country, and
collapsed, knackered on a sofa and had a very desultory chat about the thrills
'n' spills of service station food and touring. I didn't know him terribly well
at all, but he was wise and friendly.
Comedians are often depicted as being
cut-throat, and they can be, but he's the absolute opposite. I'm sure he was
saying, "Don't worry about it," if I was complaining or worrying about doing
these dreadful, low-rent gigs. When you're doing the tougher ones, it's more
crowd management than anything. You don't really get a chance to try anything
interesting. You just have to learn the trade, really.
Another cliché about
comics is that they're always "on" - always working the room, trying to make
someone laugh, trying to outdo each other. Bill doesn't go for that at all. I
don't think he has an iota of machismo in him. He's running on some other kind
of juice. Bill outdoes people by opening a packet of crisps and looking out the
window and making some passing comment. People go on holiday when they talk to
Bill. He draws people to him. If he's in a room, people skip over to him the way
you do to a fire when you come in from the pouring rain.
A clever lady called
Jane Davies cast Bill [in Black Books], this is going back some time, now, 1998
or 1999, but I remember my first thought was, "That's a brilliant idea," and
second, "He's going to be much funnier than me."
Black Books is tediously
good fun, I'm afraid. There's a lot of laughing and a lot of graft. Bill's a bit
all over the place, he wanders off - in the rehearsal room, we'll be talking
about a scene and we'll say, "Right, let's do it," and we'll t urn around and
he's not there - but never in such a way as he can't get it together when he
needs to. He is a great comic partner.
We talk about anything and everything.
It's like one ongoing endless conversation, a symposium of utter rubbish, two
amnesiac gadflies discussing whatever pops into their heads. The director was
always screaming at us to stop talking about food, which gave me and Bill an
idea for a series that we're talking about: two rubbish detectives who go to
solve murders cases but are only interested in the nearby delicatessens -
baguettes in their hands when looking at bodies.
You always see interviews
where people are saying, "I love this guy so much, he's such a fantastic human
being, he makes Mother Teresa look like a Hell's Angel," and, unfortunately, I
get the one where the guy is like that. I'm kind of annoyed. I'd love to be able
to say he's difficult or he's got some terrible flaw, he's talented but
self-destructive or something, but he's not.
I really cannot imagine what it
would be like to fall out with Bill. Unless there's some kind of arcane
transgression that I could make, that I'm not aware of, like if I touched his
tuna sandwich and he stormed off. I'd be interested to find out what thing that
would be.
I presume there are times when Bill is wigged-out and stressed, but
he only displays it as by being funny. I've seen him a bit glittery eyed with
fatigue after a show, but half-an-hour later he's reconstituted himself and
you're nodding and laughing and prawns are coming out of your nose. He's
freakish in his good naturedness.
Bill Bailey:
I distinctly remember doing a gig
with Dylan at Jongleurs in Battersea, 10 or 12 years ago. I remember thinking
that what he was doing was very different to a lot of stand-ups. He had this
stage persona, a bit like Bernard Black, that was instantly recognisable:
slightly dishevelled appearing to be slightly drunk and permanently pissed off,
railing against the world and its failings. He did this long routine, which he
acted out in a really physical way, he'd throw himself into it, working himself
up into a boiling frenzy.
We ran into each other at various points but it's
since we've been doing the TV stuff that we've really got to know each other.
On-set there's a lot of silliness, a lot of trying to put the other person off -
changing lines to try to trip the other person up. That's always quite amusing.
But it is quite serious. I feel I want to do justice to the script and the
people who work on it.
It's very different from a lot of sitcoms. The writing
is a lot richer and the characterisation is rounded. Like all really good
sitcoms, though, there is an air of despair about it, a sense of people being
trapped in the situation, being stuck with a certain group of people because
they're the only ones who'll put up with them. A lot of people respond to that.
And they love the surreal nature, the hyper-reality of it.
It also strikes a
chord with people because in Bernard's ranting and raving, a lot of things are
included where people think, "Yeah, I'd like to sound off about mobile phones or
fast-food outlets or general mediocrity.
It is Dylan to a degree. We have
great conversations about music and popular culture and get ourselves into a
right state. I'm a terrible gadget monkey, and we'll have a talk about phones
where I'll go, "Look, it can do this and this." and Dylan just looks at me with,
just pity.
Dylan is well read, very intelligent and he's got a very
descriptive turn of phrase. As another comic, that's what I particularly admire.
A lot of the time you're trying to nail that phrase and when you hear it done
very lyrically, almost poetically, it's something that writers appreciate.
He
cares a great deal and he's analytical. I was talking to him just last night
about going on tour and looking at the way other people do comedy. He's got, I
suppose, an intellectual approach to it, as well as the instinctive and
unconsciously funny thing which I gravitate towards. If you get into writing
it's very hard not to be like that. It's very hard not to process information
comedically, not to tell a joke and say, "Why is that funny?" Because you often
don't know.
The conversations we usually have are about comedy in literature
and great bits of writing. You can write what you think is the greatest joke
but, somehow, in front of an audience it transmutes into some other thing. I
think that, maybe, is where Dylan is obsessive, or not obsessive, but
fascinated.
We don't tend to have heart-to-he arts much. We have done, but
recently, we've talked much more about books, films, brandies, restaurants and
food. Dylan is an epicurean, an aesthete, a lover of finer things. That's all we
talk about, different kinds of foods, different ways of eating food and places
you can go to eat food.
Dylan is very thoughtful and sensitive. He is, I
think, a real old-fashioned wit, in the Swiftian mode. He thinks deeply about
things and is, basically, a mercurial mind.